A podcast by a UFO nerd and his tolerant friend.

Because if UFOs are real… what else? If any of this turns out to be true, it’s a very exciting time!

Most Recent Episode

Ep 53: How Lue Elizondo Saved AATIP

Ever since Lue Elizondo emerged as a whistleblower in the New York Times in 2017, the Pentagon has constantly changed their story about him. First they acknowledged he ran the UFO program, then they said it wasn’t a UFO program and Lue wasn’t involved. Lue claims it’s retaliation for going public, and filed an Inspector General complaint. Let’s get to the bottom of what Lue did in AAWSAP/AATIP, how he became the director of a reduced version of AATIP, and how he came to leave the Pentagon in protest.

Previous 5 Episodes

  1. Ep 52: Imminent: Lue Elizondo and the Pentagon’s Secret UFO Program

    Lue Elizondo’s book about the Pentagon’s secret UFO program is out!

  2. Ep 51: “Major things happening” - Matthew Pines

    Matthew Pines on “major things” this year to support the UAP Disclosure Act.

  3. Ep 50: Remote Viewing: The CIA’s Secret Psychic Spy Program

    Let’s talk about the government’s secret psychic spy program!

  4. Ep 49: “We are in contact with NHI:” Tim Gallaudet

    Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet is the latest high-profile figure to call for disclosure of non-human contact.

  5. Ep 48: UFO Amendments in the 2025 NDAA

    Congress is working on the 2025 NDAA, including some possible UAP amendments, and also discussing another public UAP hearing.

More episodes can be found in the archive.