David Grusch Press Conference

In the last two weeks, the third batch of UFO files was released by the government, the UAP Disclosure Act was submitted for the fourth time, Avi Loeb announced he was asked by the White House to start a UAP Science Advisory Council, and whistleblower David Grusch spoke at a Congressional press conference, where he alleged criminal fraud by the US government to pay for crash retrieval operations off-book, and claimed non-human life ranges from “corporeal bipedal” to “sentient plasmoids.”

Grusch Press Conference

White House Pressure

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Chris Mellon: “I've… heard from some senior-administration officials that they are very serious and under serious pressure from the White House to get out, literally, as much as possible. It was a very encouraging message from people associated with the [Trump] administration who are working the problem.”
Rep Anna Paulina Luna: “Our next call to action will be that we are meeting with the White House, and we are requesting that whistleblowers receive permanent immunity, so they can safely divulge, whether it is the location of craft or other advanced technologies… so that people can’t be hit with a violation of the Espionage Act.”
Rep. Eric Burlison: “This is the age of disclosure. Mr. President, I'm asking you directly: Waive the non-disclosure agreements that still bind these patriots. Grant immunity to anyone and everyone who has already come forward and everyone who will come forward. Open the door and let them speak. Because unless people know they will be protected, why would they come forward otherwise?”

Cover-Up

Rep Burlison: “We continue to receive credible claims of recovered craft and reverse-engineering programs that may have operated for decades outside of any oversight. Those claims point to specific facilities, contractors, records, and people. Congress has a constitutional duty to follow them, and that duty does not vanish because somebody stamped a document classified 30 years ago… It does not vanish because a program has become so compartmentalized that even elected officials are expected to look the other way… Even presidents have been kept on a need-to-know basis… Career bureaucrats, who view presidents as temporary help, here today, gone tomorrow. That is not classification, that's a constitutional crisis… There must be real penalties for officials who knowingly withhold information from Congress.”
Grusch: “Secrecy around this issue did not appear overnight. Subsequent executive orders, Secretary of Defense memorandums, Department of Security, basically nullified Congress’s role with… oversight on this issue. Remember, classification exists to protect the nation. Executive Order 13-562 discusses what can and cannot be classified. Embarrassment, hiding funds, criminal activity, and the basic information about scientific information in the universe is unlawful for it to be classified.”
Rep. Tim Burchett: “When I’m sitting in a SCIF and some little punk in a man bun tells me the president’s on a need-to-know-basis, folks, that ought to tell you right there what we’re up against… We’re up against corruption, we’re up against a cover-up. This thing’s been covered up at least since 1947. Dadgummit, the public has a right to know. It’s your dadgum tax dollars. It’s not about little green men or flying saucers. It’s about what are we spending all these… billions of dollars on?”
Rep. Jared Moskowitz: “We started asking questions. Very simple questions, and this is what got me interested in the topic. We would ask questions and they would then push back. And we would ask more questions, and the pushback became more significant. We would try to put language in an amendment in a bill and they would oppose it. They would secretly go to the chairman of committees to strip that language out. And that became clear to us that they were hiding something.”
Grusch: “Many of the president's team has been kept in the dark by high ego, politically appointed actors, both because of incompetence and malicious intent has subverted the president's order on this issue. Furthermore, some of this foreign intelligence has not been provided to Congress despite lawful requests to the Defense Intelligence Agency… These records belong under congressional oversight. And I believe DIA should stop obstructing Chairman Luna's task force and provide those documents to Congress and enter it through mandatory declassification review.”
Rep. Moskowitz:“ So, listen, I don’t know what the full truth is, but I know we’re being lied to… We know about these advanced technology programs. We know they come out of Area 51. They did when we went to kill Osama Bin Laden, with an advanced technology helicopter that Congress never funded. There’s trillions missing at the Pentagon. Where does that money go?”
Grusch: “This is also a real fraud, waste, and abuse issue… During my investigation, I found slush funds to the tune of billions of dollars per annum for these activities.”
- Grusch followup on Fox News: “Earlier in my career, I was a counter-threat finance specialist. I actually worked in a special cell looking at arms trafficking and terrorist funding, so I have that background in counter-finance. What I found was there were haircuts taken to classified black programs to fund this… It led to some federal investigations and things I can’t mention now, but the DoJ is actually handling that now, because I bumped into a government-run criminal enterprise that was siphoning money… to pay for the crash retrieval operations off-books.”

Crash Retrievals

David Grusch: “In my official duties, I was exposed to human and signals intelligence information concerning foreign adversary UAP crash retrieval, exploitation and study efforts, adversary views on U.S. legacy program reverse engineering efforts, and U.S.-held audiovisual information related to crash retrieval matters, such as the recovered vehicles and the associated biological material. One must always be concerned about adversarial disinformation when you're getting foreign intelligence, but I was able to cross-verify this information internally to back up the foreign government assertions.”
David Grusch, followup interview on Fox: “I did get access to crash retrieval photos, so I’ve seen the recovered vehicles. I would say that’s probably the most stupendous thing, the most earth-shattering thing, that changed my worldview, when I got access to some of that years ago. I think the administration will release that information in a further drop… A bunch of different morphologies the US government has recovered, from eggs to discs to crescent moon, boomerang-type vehicles, and I got a small smattering, a sample of that, of ones that have landed or crashed on the surface of the Earth.”

Biologics

Journalist Leslie Kean: “In 2023, the conversation changed… Former intelligence official and whistleblower David Grusch… testified under penalty of perjury in an open congressional hearing. While under oath, he spoke about an ultra secret crash retrieval program and stated that some craft contained specimens, or pilots, which he called nonhuman biologics. The potential existence of another living intelligent advanced species has more implications for humanity than the recovery of technological hardware. Now the conversation needs to shift again with more of a focus on biology and less on technology.”
Kean: “Having served for decades on the staff of congressional intelligence and defense committees, Kirk McConnell, who is standing here today in the back, he was present in classified settings when highly-credible sources briefed senators, including Marco Rubio, about recovered non-human bodies.”
Kean: “Unlike legitimate national security concerns that require us to keep advanced technologies of nonhuman origin secret, that justification should not apply to biological evidence. Knowledge of the existence of another life form studied and documented by qualified experts should not be considered a threat to national security. By what authority can any institution withhold confirmation of what may be the most consequential scientific discovery in human history? Knowledge that we are not alone does not belong to any government or military, it belongs to all of humanity.”
Q: “Can you confirm for us how many species? Recent reports have said that there are perhaps four different alien species, Greys, Nordics. How many species are you aware of?”
- Grusch: “I certainly don’t have the compendium. It’s a continuum from corporeal bipedal type life to what I would consider as like sentient plasmoid life, but there are several that the US government is aware of.”
Filmmaker James Fox, asked about Grusch’s comments on alien life forms: “This is coming out. He assured me today that he will address this issue to the general public very soon, in the near future… The impression I got was that he felt a little more protected to talk about this because of President Trump’s directive to release the files.”
Journalist Chris Cuomo: “What the fuck just happened? David Grusch has, like, a Teflon pedigree. He says he knows that the American government understands that we are not alone… He actually said that… Let’s say… he’s wrong, even though you can’t find anyone… that’ll say, yeah, he’s nuts, just leave him alone… Nobody says that. Nobody… Don’t you think that somebody in the US government… would come out and be like, what is he talking about? That’s not true. That never happened. But here, they say nothing… I can’t believe how he’s saying this and they’re not coming out and countering it… It’s so bizarre.”

UFO Files Batch #3

CBS: “The Pentagon on Friday released a new group of documents and videos related to UFOs, or UAPs, the third release since the government began a wave of new disclosures last month. The latest batch includes 53 documents and 10 images from the CIA, FBI, NASA, the Department of Defense… The videos show orb-like objects in the sky, while a set of images and clips offer ‘artistic interpretations’ of reported sightings… Four of the videos show eyewitness footage of strange encounters, a shift from previous releases, which were dominated by military footage.”
Watch The Stars: “The release includes Project Blue Book Special Report No. 14, from 1955 — the most rigorous statistical study of UFOs the US government ever produced. The Battelle Memorial Institute crunched 3,201 sightings from 1947 to 1952 on punch cards, sorting each into ‘known,’ ‘unknown,’ or insufficient data… Nearly 20% of all cases stayed in the ‘unknown’ pile after analysis. And… the better the sighting, the more likely it was unexplained. For the reports rated ‘Excellent’ in witness and data quality, a third stayed unknown. For the ‘Poor’ ones, it was about half that. That's backwards from what you'd expect. If UFOs were all mistakes, whether planes, balloons or the planet Venus, then the best, most careful observers should produce the fewest mysteries, not the most.”
Watch The Stars: “Tucked inside is a section of the CIA's own internal history of the U-2 and OXCART spy plane programmes… In the late 1950s and through much of the 1960s, the U-2 flew higher than anything else in the sky — above 60,000 feet. Airliner pilots cruising far below would catch sunlight glinting off its long silver wings and report a ‘fiery object’ hanging impossibly high. According to the CIA's own history, those flights accounted for ‘more than one-half of all UFO reports during [period].’ …Project Blue Book investigators, the Air Force's public UFO desk, would quietly cross-check these reports against the U-2's secret flight logs and find the match. But they couldn't tell the public. The aircraft was classified. So they let people carry on believing they'd seen something unexplained rather than admit a spy plane was up there.”
Grusch: “There is a declassified 1971 Australian formerly classified secret assessment that a couple years ago was put in the Australian National Archives. I encourage people to read page 7 through 16. That was the nuclear branch chief of the Australian government discussing the US cover-up, and the involvement of the CIA back in the 70s. That’s actually a little-known document that is publicly available.”
- Disclosure Foundation: “The document is significant because it represents a formal allied government assessment — not speculation from a private researcher — that examined U.S. intelligence involvement with UFO reports, the role of the CIA and Robertson Panel in public debunking… Australian officials understood the US to have private interest in UFO reporting even as the public posture emphasized conventional explanations and debunking… In the Cold War context… air defense, nuclear weapons, missile development, foreign intelligence collection, and psychological warfare were central government concerns. UFO reports were therefore not simply a matter of public curiosity. They could implicate airspace sovereignty, adversarial technology, intelligence deception, public panic, and classified aerospace research.”
CBS: “The files also include a July 2008 CIA report of a UFO sighting above the Harare International Airport in Zimbabwe that was transmitted to the White House Situation Room and the intelligence community. Individuals aware of the incident didn't know if the hovering object, which appeared to emanate ‘beams,’ was a reconnaissance device of a foreign government or extraterrestrial in nature. According to observers, ‘the object was disc-like in shape with a hollow center, and had a series of rotating lights on the underside of the airframe.’ Its presence put the area on high alert.”
CBS: “A more recent sighting in 2022 near Colorado Springs, Colorado, describes a "potato"-shaped object that appeared painted in a ‘creamy/whitish opalescent color’ that was ‘somewhat translucent with a slight shimmer.’ The FBI created an artistic interpretation based on the description.”
- Watch The Stars: “What makes this one credible is the corroboration. All five drew the object separately, and the sketches matched… [The main witness] described the object as appearing to ‘cloak’ before it vanished.”
Watch The Stars: “The centrepiece of this release is what the files call the Western US Event, from October 2023. It's the case CBS, Fox and the Washington Times all led with, and it's the one worth understanding properly. Over two nights in mid-October, six federal law enforcement agents — working in three two-person teams — were sent to watch for unauthorised drones near a sensitive national security site somewhere in the western United States. The exact location is blacked out. What they reported, independently, across both nights, was not drones.”
- Watch The Stars: “They described three things. First, the orbs. A bright orange ‘mother orb’ would appear for a second or two, expel two to four smaller red orbs, then vanish — and each time it did, there was a white flash over the horizon. One agent compared the way the orbs came out to ‘grapes being expelled from a basketball.’”
- Watch The Stars: “Second, formations. Red orbs flew in lines, squares and triangles, and in at least two cases they simply hung in the sky for hours. One sat above a ridgeline far longer than any flare could possibly burn.”
- Watch The Stars: “Third, and strangest, objects that mimicked vehicles — a pair of lights hovering a couple of feet above a road that drifted silently off into the desert when the agents approached, leaving no dust, no sound and no tracks.”
- Watch The Stars: “One agent's partner turned to him and asked, ‘Are you seeing this?’ Another wrote that the objects seemed to ‘toy with us…’ [One] account reads like a field log: every visible light went out at the exact same moment, the instant the agents got close or gave up the chase.”
- Watch The Stars: “About 60% of what the agents saw is, [AARO] thinks, plausibly explained by military infrared countermeasure flares from a nearby exercise — the orange flashes, the red lights, the launching behaviour all fit. But the other 40% doesn't. Flares don't hover for three and a half hours. Flares don't follow a car down a road at 80 mph and then accelerate across four miles of rough ground in under a minute. There was no radar return, no aircraft transponder data, nothing on the deconfliction systems that should have caught a real aircraft.”

UAP Science Advisory Council

Harvard Astronomer Avi Loeb: “If, after analyzing new data on millions of objects, we will find beyond a reasonable doubt that one of them has a non-human technological origin, that would constitute the biggest scientific discovery ever made by humanity… What could be a better way of doing that than the establishment of a new “UAP Science Advisory Council” by the White House, AARO, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), the FBI, and all Intelligence Community members… Over the past week, I was tasked by the above organizations to create a research team of scientists who will serve on this council.”
Loeb: “The council includes… [3 other Harvard scientists], Dr. Tim Gallaudet, [oceanographer, retired Navy Rear Admiral and former administrator of NOAA]… Dr. Kevin Knuth, [physics professor at University of Albany and SOL Foundation speaker]… Prof. Garry Nolan, [Stanford immunology professor and co-founder of the SOL Foundation]… Dr. Peter Skafish, [anthropologist and co-founder of the SOL Foundation], and “Dr. Michael Shermer, [founder of Skeptic magazine and the Skeptics Society]”
- Loeb: “This constitutes an amazing A-team with exceptional scientists. Including at least one member with a skeptical perspective (or a designated “devil’s advocate”) in every committee is highly important. The skeptic prevents blind spots, reduces cognitive biases, and actively protects groups from disastrous decision-making as a result of groupthink.”
Journalist Matt Ford: “Michael Shermer… is the wrong choice… [He] has already pre-judged the question this council exists to investigate. He holds a standing $1,000 public bet that alien disclosure will not happen… A body meant to weigh evidence should not be advised by someone who has publicly wagered that the answer is no. He has also spent years attacking or dismissing the very witnesses this council was created to evaluate… His treatment of these witnesses and American veterans is consistently dismissive, derogatory, childish, never analytical… And he is the founder and publisher of Skeptic magazine and the Skeptics Society - a career built on debunking claims like these. That is a professional stake in the answer, not neutrality.”
Loeb: “All the data shared with the council will be unclassified. The council will report to a higher-level UAP Governance Board that aims to provide guidance, recommendations and coordination at the interagency level, bringing together military, law enforcement, the Intelligence Community, and other civilian agencies… The UAP Governing Board, which will get advice from the Science council as well as other committees, will assist in the timely coordination of declassification of UAP-related information.”
Liberation Times Editor Christopher Sharp: “So at first, we thought it was one UAP Science Advisory Council. But it is actually a UFO Board supported by several advisory groups - one of which seems to be the Science Council.”
- ODNI: “To support the President's directive on UAP transparency, ODNI — alongside FBI and [DOD] — established a UAP Governance Board to provide guidance, recommendations and coordination at the interagency level, bringing together military, law enforcement, the Intelligence Community, and other civilian agencies.”
Loeb, asked if he has a budget: “We are an advisory council, so my guess, based on service in similar committees, that the budget includes travel expenses when we meet in person. That's basically it. No personal compensation or any financial interest.”
Garry Nolan: “Importantly, no one on the Council has been asked to sign any non-disclosure agreements. We are told that we are free to discuss matters that come before the Board, but without attribution of the source (Chatham House rules)… I plan to treat this effort like I do my day job in cancer immunology—not talking publicly about results until I am sure the answer is as close to correct as I can determine.”
Rizwan Virk, a VC investor and founder of Play Labs at MIT: “For people that have never been on an advisory board, it's worth mentioning that the purpose of one is to ‘give advice’ to the principals, who could be a company, a university dept or a gov agency. ‘Advice’ is almost never legally binding… Some advisory boards have more influence, some put out a formal report, some just have discussion sessions, others just meet one on one.”
Investigative journalist Ross Coulthart: “There is nothing in this statement that says this Board - or Prof Loeb's Advisory Council - will be given legal powers - such as subpoena - to enforce these aspirations. It's still [the DoD] deciding what they get to see… Unless these bodies are given teeth, it means the gatekeepers retain control over disclosure… This risks being yet another ineffectual effort like Project Bluebook, humouring public demands for truth but continuing the cover-up.”

UAP Disclosure Act

Rep Eric Burlison filed a lightly modified version of the UAP Disclosure Act as a possible amendment to the 2027 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). It’s now called the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Records Collection.
D. Dean Johnson: “Burlison’s proposal would fold in the ‘UAP Records Collection’ framework in the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), enacted as a compromise in late 2023, [and] a temporary federal agency and nine-member board, with members nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate. This agency would be empowered to search out UAP-related records and materials for the purpose of orderly public disclosure, subject to some constraints. The proposed Review Board would have authority to issue subpoenas in some circumstances and to request Attorney General-issued subpoenas in others. A provision objected to by some UFO-oriented groups in past years, allowing the government to seize materials deemed to be of non-human origin through the exercise of the power of eminent domain, remains in the amendment.”
D. Dean Johnson: “The House Rules Committee may meet the week of June 29 to decide which [NDAA] amendments [will] be considered.”

References

Reuters Video: David Grusch Press Conference
Washington Times: Lawmakers, whistleblower demand full disclosure of government’s extraterrestrial files
Rep Burlison: Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Records Collection
Johnson: Burlison Files UAP Review Board Proposal to House Defense Bill
Loeb: A UAP Science Advisory Council to the U.S. Government
Loeb: More Details on the UAP Science Advisory Council
Coulthart: “We hope the science council is not another Project Blue Book.”
Ford: “Michael Shermer of Skeptics Society does not belong on this board.”
Sharp: “Actually a UFO board supported by several advisory groups.”
Loeb: “No personal compensation or financial interest.”
Nolan: Why do we need a UAP Scientific Advisory Board?
Virk: “The purpose of an advisory board is to give advice.”
Liberation Times: U.S. Government Establishes New Interagency UAP Governance Board to Coordinate Investigations and Declassification
CBS News: Pentagon releases 3rd batch of UFO files, detailing mysterious orb sightings
Watch The Stars: Pentagon's Third UFO File Release: What's Actually In It
Mellon: “Officials are under serious pressure from the White House.”
Disclosure Foundation: Scientific and Intelligence Aspects of the UFO Problem
Cuomo: “It’s so bizarre that they’re not coming out and countering it.”
Fox: “Grusch assured me he will address this to the general public very soon.”
Missileman: “None of the orgs in Grusch’s testimony have issued formal denials.”
Grusch: “I’ve seen the recovered vehicles, a bunch of different morphologies.”

Episode 89, posted on June 21, 2026